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Why It Matters That A Trump Budget Aide Is Breaking Silence On Impeachment | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

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CORRESPONDENT FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES AND COAUTHOR OF TIMES AND COAUTHOR OF "IMPEACHMENT" BOOK "IMPEACHMENT" BOOK

>> PHIL, I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN >> PHIL, I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOU WITH YOU WHAT DOES MARK SANDY BRING TO WHAT DOES MARK SANDY BRING TO THE CONVERSATION, REMIND THE OMB THE CONVERSATION, REMIND THE OMB ROLE IN THIS STORY? ROLE IN THIS STORY? >> MARK SANDY IS AS CAREER >> MARK SANDY IS AS CAREER OFFICIAL AT THE OFFICE OF OFFICIAL AT THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET HE’S NOT AS POLITICAL APPOINTEE HE’S NOT AS POLITICAL APPOINTEE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP

OF PRESIDENT TRUMP HE DECIDED TO DEFY THE ORDER, HE DECIDED TO DEFY THE ORDER, TRYING TO PRESENT ALL OF THESE TRYING TO PRESENT ALL OF THESE LAWYERS TESTIFYING LAWYERS TESTIFYING IT WAS THE OMB THAT WAS INVOLVED IT WAS THE OMB THAT WAS INVOLVED AND STOPPING THE $400 MILLION AND STOPPING THE $400 MILLION AID FROM FLOWING INTO UKRAINE AID FROM FLOWING INTO UKRAINE

THE AID WENT TO UKRAINE BUT THE AID WENT TO UKRAINE BUT THERE WAS A DELAY, IT WAS THERE WAS A DELAY, IT WAS ORDERED ACCORDING TO REPORTING ORDERED ACCORDING TO REPORTING BY THE PRESIDENT, SETS FORTH BY BY THE PRESIDENT, SETS FORTH BY MULVANEY AND THE OMB DIRECTOR MULVANEY AND THE OMB DIRECTOR AND MR SANDY SHOULD SHED MUCH AND MR SANDY SHOULD SHED MUCH MORE LIGHT AND DETAILS IN THE MORE LIGHT AND DETAILS IN THE PROCESS INSIDE PROCESS INSIDE AND WHAT THE SYSTEM WAS FOR AND WHAT THE SYSTEM WAS FOR DOCUMENTING THAT

DOCUMENTING THAT >> WE SHOULD REPEAT THESE >> WE SHOULD REPEAT THESE WITNESSES THAT HAVE COME FORWARD WITNESSES THAT HAVE COME FORWARD ARE ABOUT TO APPEAR IN THESE ARE ABOUT TO APPEAR IN THESE HEARINGS HEARINGS THEY ARE NOT LIMITED IN THEIR THEY ARE NOT LIMITED IN THEIR TESTIMONY TO WHAT’S ON THE TESTIMONY TO WHAT’S ON THE DEPOSITION INDEED, MR TAYLOR, DEPOSITION INDEED, MR

TAYLOR, GAVE US NEW DETAILS WE DID NOT GAVE US NEW DETAILS WE DID NOT KNOW KNOW WHAT IS YOVANOVITCH LIKELY ABLE WHAT IS YOVANOVITCH LIKELY ABLE TO ADD TO THE STORY TOMORROW? TO ADD TO THE STORY TOMORROW? >> WELL, WHAT SHE DOES NOT KNOW >> WELL, WHAT SHE DOES NOT KNOW A LOT ABOUT IS WHAT HAPPENED A LOT ABOUT IS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER SHE LEFT AFTER SHE LEFT SO SHE DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF SO SHE DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF VISIBILITY ON JULY 5th PHONE VISIBILITY ON JULY 5th PHONE CALL

CALL SHE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT WHAT SHE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS LEADING UP TO HER FIRING HAPPENS LEADING UP TO HER FIRING AND THE CAMPAIGN THAT WAS LED BY AND THE CAMPAIGN THAT WAS LED BY RUDY GIULIANI TO HAVE HER OUSTED RUDY GIULIANI TO HAVE HER OUSTED AND AT ONE POINT THE PRESIDENT’S AND AT ONE POINT THE PRESIDENT’S SON WAS TWEETING SHE SHOULD BE SON WAS TWEETING SHE SHOULD BE FIRED FIRED THE PRESIDENT HAS THE RIGHT TO THE PRESIDENT HAS THE RIGHT TO FIRE ANY AMBASSADOR HE WANTS FIRE ANY AMBASSADOR HE WANTS

BUT, SHE IS SOMEBODY WHO WAS BUT, SHE IS SOMEBODY WHO WAS WORKING IN THE CIVIL SOCIETY WORKING IN THE CIVIL SOCIETY GROUP GROUP SHE WAS WORKING TO PUSH BACK SHE WAS WORKING TO PUSH BACK AGAINST CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE AGAINST CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE AND SO SHE IS A FIGURE WHO HAS AND SO SHE IS A FIGURE WHO HAS SOME INSIGHTS INTO WHAT WAS SOME INSIGHTS INTO WHAT WAS GOING ON IN UKRAINE AND THIS GOING ON IN UKRAINE AND THIS SORT OF ALTERNATE CHANNEL, THIS

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