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NBC Exclusive: Were These Chinese Trespassers Confused Tourists…Or Spies? | MSNBC

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WITH ME DAVE ERINBURG AND ANNA WITH ME DAVE ERINBURG AND ANNA SCHECTER SENIOR PRODUCER SCHECTER SENIOR PRODUCER ANNA, IT’S KIND OF INTERESTING ANNA, IT’S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT THESE THINGS ALL HAVE A THAT THESE THINGS ALL HAVE A SIMILARITY TO THEM THAT ARE SIMILARITY TO THEM THAT ARE LEADING SOME PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO LEADING SOME PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO SAY MAYBE THERE’S MORE TO THIS SAY MAYBE THERE’S MORE TO THIS THAN JUST FOUR TO SIX RANDOES THAN JUST FOUR TO SIX RANDOES TAKING PICTURES IN AND AROUND A TAKING PICTURES IN AND AROUND A MILITARY BASE AT MAR-A-LAGO MILITARY BASE AT MAR-A-LAGO TELL ME WHAT YOU HAVE COME UP TELL ME WHAT YOU HAVE COME UP WITH

WITH >> WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE COURT >> WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE COURT DOCUMENTS THE SIMILARITIES ARE DOCUMENTS THE SIMILARITIES ARE INCREDIBLY STRIKING INCREDIBLY STRIKING IT’S JUST BAFFLING THAT PEOPLE IT’S JUST BAFFLING THAT PEOPLE AREN’T PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO AREN’T PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO THIS THIS

THESE YOUNG PEOPLE AT THE NAVAL THESE YOUNG PEOPLE AT THE NAVAL BASE BASE ALL YOUNG MEN IN THEIR 20s, ALL YOUNG MEN IN THEIR 20s, CHINESE STUDENTS WHO STUMBLE CHINESE STUDENTS WHO STUMBLE UPON THE NAVAL BASE AND WALK UPON THE NAVAL BASE AND WALK EITHER AROUND PERIMETER FENCE EITHER AROUND PERIMETER FENCE IGNORING WARNING SIGNS OR IN ONE IGNORING WARNING SIGNS OR IN ONE CASE TWO STUDENTS DROVE PAST A CASE TWO STUDENTS DROVE PAST A GUARD, IGNORED THEM, DROVE GUARD, IGNORED THEM, DROVE AROUND THE BASE FOR 30 MINUTES, AROUND THE BASE FOR 30 MINUTES, ACCORDING TO THE COURT DOCUMENTS ACCORDING TO THE COURT DOCUMENTS UNTIL THEY WERE STOPPED AND IN A UNTIL THEY WERE STOPPED AND IN A BIZARRE TWIST, THEY VOLUNTARILY BIZARRE TWIST, THEY VOLUNTARILY TURNED OVER ALL OF THEIR PHOTOS TURNED OVER ALL OF THEIR PHOTOS THEY KIND OF SEEMED TO HAVE SOME THEY KIND OF SEEMED TO HAVE SOME PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY BUT ONCE PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY BUT ONCE YOU DIG INTO IT AND SEE THIS YOU DIG INTO IT AND SEE THIS PATTERN IT SEEMS TO SOME EXPERTS PATTERN IT SEEMS TO SOME EXPERTS THAT THIS COULDN’T BE ANYTHING THAT THIS COULDN’T BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A COORDINATED EFFORT

OTHER THAN A COORDINATED EFFORT >> SOMETIMES THESE THINGS ARE >> SOMETIMES THESE THINGS ARE HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT, DAVE HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT, DAVE IN 2018, THERE WAS AN OP-ED IN 2018, THERE WAS AN OP-ED WRITTEN BY DAVID WISE WHO TALKED WRITTEN BY DAVID WISE WHO TALKED ABOUT A THEORY THAT THE FBI HAD ABOUT A THEORY THAT THE FBI HAD ABOUT INTELLIGENCE GATHERING ABOUT INTELLIGENCE GATHERING THATS SDOESN’T SOMETIMES LOOK LI THATS SDOESN’T SOMETIMES LOOK LI INTELLIGENCE GATHERING INTELLIGENCE GATHERING

THE RUSSIANS WOULD SEND IN A SUB THE RUSSIANS WOULD SEND IN A SUB AND COLLECT SEVERAL BUCKETS OF AND COLLECT SEVERAL BUCKETS OF SAND AND TAKE THEM BACK TO SAND AND TAKE THEM BACK TO MOSCOW MOSCOW THE US WOULD SEND OVER THE U

S WOULD SEND OVER SATELLITES AND PRODUCE REAMS OF SATELLITES AND PRODUCE REAMS OF DATA AND THE CHINESE WOULD SEND DATA AND THE CHINESE WOULD SEND IN A THOUSAND TOURISTS EACH IN A THOUSAND TOURISTS EACH ASSIGNED TO COLLECT A SINGLE ASSIGNED TO COLLECT A SINGLE GRAIN OF SAND GRAIN OF SAND WHEN THEY RETURNED ASKED TO WHEN THEY RETURNED ASKED TO SHAKE OUT THEIR TOWELS AND THEY SHAKE OUT THEIR TOWELS AND THEY WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SAND WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SAND THAN ANYONE ELSE THAN ANYONE ELSE

WHAT’S YOUR SENSE OF WHAT’S WHAT’S YOUR SENSE OF WHAT’S GOING ON HERE? GOING ON HERE? >> ALI, IT SEEMS THAT THESE >> ALI, IT SEEMS THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS DON’T HAVE ANY INDIVIDUALS DON’T HAVE ANY FORMALIZED TRAINING IN FORMALIZED TRAINING IN ESPIONAGE ESPIONAGE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY’RE LONE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY’RE LONE WOLVES AND FREELANCERS AND THE WOLVES AND FREELANCERS AND THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT MIGHT BE CHINESE GOVERNMENT MIGHT BE WINKING AND NODDING AT THEM SO WINKING AND NODDING AT THEM SO THEY CAN HAVE WHAT ANNA JUST THEY CAN HAVE WHAT ANNA JUST DESCRIBED AS PLAUSIBLE DENIBLT DESCRIBED AS PLAUSIBLE DENIBLT AND IT ENABLES THEM TO BE AND IT ENABLES THEM TO BE SYMPATHETIC FIGURES SYMPATHETIC FIGURES WE’RE JUST HAPLESS TOURISTS AND WE’RE JUST HAPLESS TOURISTS AND THAT’S WHY IT POSES GREAT THAT’S WHY IT POSES GREAT CHALLENGES FOR PROSECUTORS

CHALLENGES FOR PROSECUTORS MEANWHILE, THEY CAN GO BACK TO MEANWHILE, THEY CAN GO BACK TO CHINA AND EITHER SELL THEIR CHINA AND EITHER SELL THEIR INFORMATION, THEIR STREET INFORMATION, THEIR STREET INTELLIGENCE BACK TO THE CHINESE INTELLIGENCE BACK TO THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT OR GIVE IT AWAY AS GOVERNMENT OR GIVE IT AWAY AS PART OF THEIR PATRIOTIC DUTY PART OF THEIR PATRIOTIC DUTY >> ANNA, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS >> ANNA, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS HAPPENING WITH THIS INFORMATION? HAPPENING WITH THIS INFORMATION? IS THERE ANYBODY WORRIED? IS THERE ANYBODY WORRIED? IS THE FBI WORRIED THAT THERE IS IS THE FBI WORRIED THAT THERE IS INTELLIGENCE GATHERING GOING ON INTELLIGENCE GATHERING GOING ON OR DOES THIS STILL FEEL A LITTLE OR DOES THIS STILL FEEL A LITTLE BIT RANDOM FOR NOW? BIT RANDOM FOR NOW? >> THIS IS HIGHLY CONCERNING TO >> THIS IS HIGHLY CONCERNING TO THE FBI AND TOP INTELLIGENCE THE FBI AND TOP INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS ARE TAKING THIS OFFICIALS ARE TAKING THIS EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY

THE PROBLEM IS IT’S HARD TO THE PROBLEM IS IT’S HARD TO CONNECT THE DOTS ON THESE CASES CONNECT THE DOTS ON THESE CASES ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THESE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WERE PROBABLY YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WERE PROBABLY ASKED BY SOMEONE ELSE TO GO AND ASKED BY SOMEONE ELSE TO GO AND TAKE THESE PHOTOS TAKE THESE PHOTOS SO, THEY AREN’T, YOU KNOW, SPY SO, THEY AREN’T, YOU KNOW, SPY MASTERS THEMSELVES BUT THEY’RE MASTERS THEMSELVES BUT THEY’RE PART OF A WEB OF PEOPLE AND THIS PART OF A WEB OF PEOPLE AND THIS IS ALL OPERATING OUT OF BEIJING

IS ALL OPERATING OUT OF BEIJING NOW, THIS IS A LONG-TIME COMING NOW, THIS IS A LONG-TIME COMING I LIVED IN CHINA BACK IN 2001 I LIVED IN CHINA BACK IN 2001 AND WHEN I WAS EVEN IN REMOTE AND WHEN I WAS EVEN IN REMOTE CITIES, CAB DRIVERS WOULD TELL CITIES, CAB DRIVERS WOULD TELL ME, IT’S OUR DUTY AS CHINESE ME, IT’S OUR DUTY AS CHINESE PEOPLE TO RISE UP AND TAKE OVER PEOPLE TO RISE UP AND TAKE OVER THE US

THE US SO, THIS IS MANY YEARS IN THE SO, THIS IS MANY YEARS IN THE MAKING AND THESE SIX INSTANCES MAKING AND THESE SIX INSTANCES ARE ONLY SIX OF HUNDREDS, ARE ONLY SIX OF HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS OF EFFORTS LIKE THIS THOUSANDS OF EFFORTS LIKE THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ACROSS THE COUNTRY >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORTING,

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