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CNN Anderson Cooper 360 [8PM] 11/26/19 | CNN Breaking TRUMP News Today Nov 25, 2019

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>>> ERIN, THANKS VERY MUCH GOOD EVENING FROM THE UNIVERSITY IN WESTSTERVILLE, OHIO, SITE OF TOMORROW'S DEMOCRATIC DEBATE

THERE'S NEW POLLING ON THE DEMOCRATIC RACE WE'LL HAVE A PREVIEW OF THAT AND TOMORROW'S DEMOCRATIC DEBATE TODAY PRESIDENT TRUMP TRIED TO SPIN A WIN ON WHAT PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE ARE CALLING A COLOSSAL FOREIGN POLICY MISTAKE IN TURKEY AND SYRIA, MISTAKE IN WHICH HE IS THE SOLE AUTHOR HE APPEARS TO BE SCRAMBLING TO FIX THINGS AFTER THE MAJOR POLITICAL BACKLASH HE IS EXPERIENCING FROM DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE PRESIDENT TRUMP SPOKE TO TURKEY'S PRESIDENT ERDOGAN TODAY ABOUT DE-ESCALATING THE FIGHT

HE ANNOUNCED SANCTIONS AGAINST TURKEY IN RESPONSE RAISING STEEL TARIFFS TO 50% AND HALTING A PROPOSED $100 BILLION TRADE DEAL PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS A SMALL FOOTPRINT OF SOLDIERS WILL REMAIN IN SOUTHERN SYRIA AND ONE MORE THING, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE IS NOW BEING SENT TO TURKEY TO TRY TO BROKER THE KIND OF DEAL TO SAFEGUARD OUR ALLIES OR OUR ONE-TIME ALLIES, THE KURDS, AND CONTAIN ISIS THE KIND OF DEAL WE HAD ALREADY UNTIL LAST SUNDAY ALL OF THIS BEGAN A WEEK AGO SUNDAY WITH A MUCH DIFFERENT TELEPHONE CALL WITH TURKEY'S PRESIDENT WHAT WAS SAID REMAINS UNCLEAR

WHAT WE DO KNOW, THE PRESIDENT AGREED TO PULL OUT TROOPS FROM THE REGION ESSENTIALLY GIVING THE GREEN LIGHT TO THE TURKISH INVASION OF NORTHERN SYRIA THIS LEFT OUR KURDISH ALLIES, KEY ALLIES, IT LEFT THEM STUNNED AND SURPRISED AND THEN EXPOSED TO TURKISH AGGRESSION REPUBLICANS NEVER ONCE TO ROCK THE BOAT WERE VOCAL IN THEIR DENUNCIATIONS DID THAT BOTHER THE PRESIDENT? IT MUST HAVE TWO DAYS LATER HE SAID HE WAS INVITING TURKEY'S PRESIDENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING YOU NORMALLY DO WITH PEOPLE YOU ARE ANGRY WITH

IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BOTHER HIM TOO MUCH HE TWEETED IN NO WAY HAVE WE ABANDONED THE KURDS AND YET WE HAD AND STILL THE REPUBLICAN DENUNCIATIONS KEPT COMING, CRITICISM WHEN IT'S OVERWHELMING AND BIPARTISAN DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH THIS PRESIDENT AND THUS BEGAN A PERIOD OF ALTERNATELY SAYING HE WOULD DEFINITELY DO SOMETHING AND THEN CRITICIZED THE KURDS WITH HIS FAVORITE KIND OF ACCUSATION, THE BASELESS KIND >> NOW THE KURDS ARE FIGHTING FOR THE LAND, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR THEIR LAND

AND AS SOMEBODY WROTE IN A VERY, VERY POWERFUL ARTICLE TODAY, THEY DIDN'T HELP US IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR, THEY DIDN'T HELP US WITH NORMANDY AS AN EXAMPLE THEY MENTIONED NAMES OF DIFFERENT BATTLES THEY WEREN'T THERE, BUT THEY'RE THERE TO HELP US WITH THEIR LAND AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING >> WELL, EVEN THIS MORNING HE WAS TWEETING ABOUT THE KURDS RELEASING ISIS FIGHTERS, WHICH HIS OWN DEFENSE DEPARTMENT SAID WAS NOT ACCURATE IT WAS A THEM FIGHT AND NOT US FIGHT

TODAY HE RECEIVED TO CHANGE HIS TUNE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH JIM ACOSTA AT THE WHITE HOUSE FOR US TONIGHT WHAT IS THE LATEST ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS NOW PROPOSING TO MAKE UP FOR WHAT'S HAPPENED? >> Reporter: YEAH, ANDERSON, THE PRESIDENT IS CALLING ON TURKEY TO IMPOSE A CEASE-FIRE IN ITS OPERATIONS IN SYRIA AT THIS POINT IT'S NOT CLEAR WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, THEY ARE IMPOSING NEW SANCTIONS ON TURKEY THEY ARE SENDING THE VICE PRESIDENT ALONG WITH THE NEW NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO TALK TO THE TURKISH OFFICIALS THERE INCLUDING PRESIDENT ERDOGAN PRESUMABLY HOW TO STOP ALL OF THIS

IT IS UNCLEAR HOW ANY OF THAT IS GOING TO RESULT IN TURKEY SUSPENDING THIS OPERATION KEEP IN MIND, THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING, YES, THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP SOME SORT OF SMALL FORCE IN SOUTHERN SYRIA BUT NOT THE SAME FORCE THAT WAS IN NORTHERN SYRIA THAT WAS IN PART PREVENTING ALL OF THIS FROM OCCURRING IN THE FIRST PLACE AND ONE OTHER CARROT THAT IS STILL BEING DANGLED OVER PRESIDENT ERDOGAN OF TURKEY IS THE FACT THAT HE MAY STILL BE ABLE TO COME TO WASHINGTON, ANDERSON, AND MEET WITH THE PRESIDENT NEXT MONTH THE PRESIDENT EXTENDED THAT INVITATION LAST WEEK APPARENTLY IT WAS ACCEPTED AND AT THIS POINT THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT SAYING WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS STILL GOING TO TAKE PLACE

IT HASN'T BEEN CALLED OFF AT THIS POINT AND SO THAT SEEMS TO BE SENDING ANOTHER GREEN LIGHT TO ERDOGAN AND THAT IS THAT HE HASN'T AT LEAST YET PAID A HUGE PRICE FOR WHAT'S HAPPENED IN SYRIA >> THAT WOULD BE EXTRAORDINARY IF ALLEGEDLY THE ADMINISTRATION THERE'S GOING TO BE TOUGH SANCTIONS AGAINST TURKEY AND YOU'RE ALLOWING THE LEADER OF TURKEY WHO JUST LAUNCHED THIS INCURSION INTO NORTHERN SYRIA AGAINST THE KURDS, YOU'VE ABANDONED THEIR ALLIES, THE KURDS, LOST 10,000 PEOPLE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST ISIS, A FIGHT WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO LEAD ESSENTIALLY >> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT >> AND ERDOGAN WOULD STILL BE INVITED TO THE WHITE HOUSE? >> Reporter: ANDERSON, AT THE SAME TIME THE PRESIDENT IS THREATENING TO, HE SAID THIS AGAIN TODAY, DESTROY THE TURKISH ECONOMY IF THINGS CONTINUE IT IS A STRANGE, CONFUSING MIXTURE OF MESSAGES BEING SENT NOT ONLY TO TURKEY AND THE KURDISH ALLIES IN SYRIA BUT REPUBLICANS ON CAPITOL HILL WHO HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING

KEEP IN MIND, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, THEY'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THIS CRITICISM, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS SAYING, NO, PRESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT GIVE ERDOGAN A GREEN LIGHT IN SYRIA THEY JUST HELD A CONFERENCE CALL WITH REPORTERS A SHORT WHILE AGO AND REPEATED THE SAME TALKING POINT BUT, ANDERSON, KEEP IN MIND REMEMBER WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL OF THIS, ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO WHEN IT SAID TURKEY WILL NOW BE CARRYING OUT THIS OPERATION IN NORTHERN SYRIA IT DIDN'T SAY DON'T DO THIS IT DIDN'T DRAW A RED LINE IT ESSENTIALLY DID PROVIDE THAT GREEN LIGHT

IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN LIGHT TO SYRIA IN TERMS OF WHAT TURKEY IS DOING IN SYRIA NOT BE HIS RED LINE IN ARE AT LARGE >> JIM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH SOUNDS LIKE THE PRESIDENT HAS PAINTED HIMSELF INTO A CORNER JOINING US IS DAVID AXLEROD AMILIKA HENDERSON, GLORIA BORGER AND DAVID CHALIAN

DAVID AXLEROD, THE IDEA THAT THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T GREEN LIGHT THIS TURKISH INCURSION AGAINST THE KURDS IS — >> ABSURD >> IT'S ABSURD >> YEAH >> IT WAS THAT PHONE CALL AND HE TOOK OUT THE SPECIAL FORCES TROOPS WHO HAD BEEN ESSENTIALLY PROTECTING THE KURDS FROM THE TURKS ALL THIS TIME >> EITHER HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING AND OPENED THE DOOR TO ALL OF THIS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T CONSULT WITH HIS NATIONAL COURT JIE TEAM, THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT AND SO ON, OR HE DID KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING AND HAS OPENED THE DOOR TO BASHAR AL ASSAD TO STREAM BACK INTO THAT TERRITORY, TO THE RUSSIANS

THEY HAVE BEEN THE BIG WINNERS >> RIGHT, RUSSIA, IRAN, OBVIOUSLY THE ASSAD REGIME >> YEAH BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO CHOICES EITHER HE WILLINGLY OPENED THE DOOR FOR THEM OR HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING

IT'S NOT A VERY APPETIZING CHOICE >> OR HE WAS SO VAGUE, WHICH WOULD PIT UNDER THE HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING PART THAT HE WAS SO VAGUE IN HIS PHONE CALL AS "THE NEW YORK TIMES" HAS REPORTED, SO VAGUE IN HIS PHONE CALL IT WASN'T CLEAR WHAT I WAS SATISFYING DID THAT GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE KNIFE? >> HE SAID HE WANTED ALL TROOPS OUT OF SYRIA HE SAID THAT REPEATEDLY

THIS IS DELIVERING ON THAT AND THIS IS ALSO THE CONSEQUENCES >> I THINK HE CAMPAIGNED ON THIS BUT REMOVING HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED THERE AT ALL THIS WAS PART OF HIS MISSION THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN I THINK WHAT IS SURPRISING IS HE SOMEHOW DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THE BACKLASH FROM HIS OWN PARTY WHICH IS WHY WE SEE SOME SCRAMBLING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE

HE'S TRYING TO AT LEAST GET HIS OWN PARTY BACK WITH HIM IN SOME WAY WHICH YOU SAY — >> CONGRESSMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN JUST YET >> I THINK IN HIS OWN MIND, HE MAY NOT BE WRONG ABOUT THIS ONE, HE SAYS WE'RE TIRED OF THE ENDLESS WARS, THIS IS THEIR PROBLEM, THEY HAVE TO RESOLVE IT AND SO ON THERE'S AN AUDIENCE OUT THERE FOR THAT >> SURE >> I THINK HE FELT SOME CONFIDENCE

HE SAID, THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON MAY NOT LIKE THIS BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING >> HE CLEARLY WAS TRYING TO SELL THAT MESSAGE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, SORT OF A CONTRADICTORY FACT WAS THAT THEY WERE SENDING TROOPS, RIGHT, INTO SAUDI ARABIA, 2,000 OR SO SO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE WITHDRAWING ALL TRAPS WAS NOT SURPRISING TO A LOT OF FOLKS WAS HOW QUICKLY THINGS DETERIORATED THE COLD WAS ON SUNDAY >> IT EMPHASIZES, IF THERE WERE 100, YOU KNOW, U

S FORCES AND SUPPORT IN NEW YORK AND IT SHOWS WHAT THE PRESENCE — >> YES, THEY WERE KEEPING — >> THIS WASN'T A WITHDRAWAL OF 10,000 TROOPS >> THIS WAS REMOVING THE BRICK FROM THE WALL >> THAT'S WHY TRUMP WAS SO QUICK TO ADVISE THIS IS THE PRESIDENT — IT'S MORE OF TRUMP UNBOUND

SAYING WHAT HE WANTED TO SAY UNSCRIPTED WE'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE, SAY UKRAINE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS CALAMITY >> TO SAY TO YOU IT'S A SURPRISE IT IMPLIES THAT THEY WILL STRATEGIZE THE OUTCOME FOR A RIPPLE EFFECT? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO WHEN CAMPAIGN RHETORIC OR RHETORIC AS PRESIDENT THAT IS JUST VERY SIMPLE MEETS UP GENTS VERY COMPLICATED AND COMPLEX NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES, I THINK YOU SEE EXACTLY WHY THE SIMPLISTIC TRUMP LINE ON THINGS PRESENTS REAL WORLD PROBLEMS WHEN IT MEETS UP AGAINST FAR MORE COMPLEX — >> I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT

IT EXPLAINS WHY PEOPLE FROM THE LATEST FROM HOMELAND SECURITY WHEN SIMPLISTIC RHETORIC MEETS REALITY, THEY END UP LEAVING >> ONE OF THE REASONS I ALWAYS FELT DONALD TRUMP WOULD GET IT HE COULD DEAL WITH THE COMPLEXITY I THINK AFTER EIGHT YEARS THEY WERE TIRED OF COMPLEXITY HERE COMES A GUY THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, FORGET ABOUT THAT

I'LL JUST TAKE CARE OF IT CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR HIM IF YOU SPEND ANY TIME EITHER COVERING THE WHITE HOUSE OR WORKING IN THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU UNDERSTAND JUST HOW DELICATE ALL OF THIS IS AND HOW EASY IT IS FOR THINGS TO GO SIDEWAYS IN A REALLY TRAGIC WAY >> IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE PEOPLE WOULD SAY WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE SERIES IF ISIS IS GOING TO DEFEAT IT 100%, THE CALIPHATE IS GONE THOUGH CLEARLY THERE'S THOUSANDS OF ISIS FIGHTERS IN A PRISON IT HAS EFFECTS

IF WE BETRAYED THE KURDS WHO SPENT 10,000 — LOST 10,000 LIVES, WHO WON'T WE? >> AND THEY'VE SEEN THIS PRESIDENT BASICALLY COULD THELE DICTATORS AND NOT DO THE SAME WITH OUR ALLIES THAT IS PART OF THIS AREA FIGURED HE KNOWS BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE AND SORT OF THE APPROACH THAT AMERICAN PRESIDENTS HAVE TAKEN TO OUR ALLIES >> >> IF ONLY THE KURDS WERE ABLE TO DIG UP DIRT ON THE BIDE DENSE I'M GOING TO TALK TO SEVEN TORE CHRIS COONS

WE'LL HAVE M >>> MORE NOW ON BREAKING NEWS PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLING FOR NEW SANCTIONS ON TURKEY AND SENDING THE VICE PRESIDENT THERE IN HOPES THAT HE CAN WORK OUT A DEAL THAT HIS KNEE-JERK STATE CRAFT BLEW UP A WEEK AGO SENATOR COONS, THANKS FOR BEING WITH US TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS REGION CLOSELY, IT IS NOT STUNNING HOW QUICKLY THIS REGION DETERIORATED AFTER THE PRESIDENT MADE THE DECISION THAT HE DID WHEN YOU HEAR PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION SORT OF PUSHING THE IDEA THAT IT WAS NOT THE — THE PRESIDENT DID NOT IN EFFECT GREEN LIGHT TURKEY'S ATTACK ON THE KURDS, DO YOU BUY THAT? >> I DON'T BUY THAT AT ALL

FRANKLY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AN UNTESTED, UNCONVENTIONAL PRESIDENT WHO DOESN'T RELY ON THE ADVICE THAT HIS DIPLOMATS AND MILITARY ADVISORS WANDERS INTO A VERY COMPLEX REGION AND ENGAGES IN ERRATIC AND ILL-INFORMED FOREIGN POLICY FRANKLY, AFTER THIS DEVELOPMENT MANY OF OUR ENEMIES ARE ENCOURAGED AND SOME OF OUR CLOSEST ALLIES ALARMED I AM GRAVELY CONCERNED, ANDERSON, ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS, NOT JUST FOR THE KURDS WHO FOUGHT BRAVELY ALONGSIDE US IN THE EFFORTS AGAINST ISIS BUT FOR THE EXTENT TO WHICH OUR ALLIES IN THE REGION AND THE WORLD VIEW US AS RELIABLE IT WAS ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE THIS SAME TRAGICALLY MISTAKEN DECISION AND AS A RESULT HIS SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, FORMER MARINE STAR, HE HAD AMPLE NOTICE THAT IF THEY REMOVED ANY TROOPS, THAT IT WOULD UNDERMINUS, ENCOURAGE ERDOGAN AND WE'VE SEEN THAT UNFOLD FASTER THAN ANYONE MIGHT HAVE EXPECTED >> IF THERE'S A DEAL WITH THE KURDS AND THE ASSAD REGIME, EFFECTIVELY THE ASSAD REGIME GETS TO RETAKE THE 1/3 OF THE COUNTRY THAT HAS BEEN OUT OF ITS CONTROL, WHICH IS NOT ONLY A VICTORY FOR A DICTATORIAL KILLER, IT'S ALSO A VICTORY FOR RUSSIA AND IRAN WHO HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING THE REGIME AND TURKEY IF THEY GET THE BUFFER ZONE

>> THAT'S RIGHT ONE OF THE THINGS I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT, ANDERSON, IS THAT HEZBOLLAH AND OTHER MILITIAS SUPPORTED BY IRAN AND THE IRG SKR GAIN EVEN MORE OF A FOOTHOLD IN SYRIA, GAIN EVEN MORE OF A HIGHWAY TO SEND TROOPS, MATERIAL, RESOURCES FOR IRAN, ACROSS IRAQ AND INTO LEBANON THIS DESTABILIZES THE REGION THE WINNERS HERE, FRANKLY AS YOU PUT IT, VLADIMIR PUTIN OF RUSSIA, BASHAR AL ASSAD THE MURDERER OF DAMASCUS

THE DICTATOR OF SYRIA WHO HAS MASSACRED HUGE NUMBERS OF HIS OWN CIVILIANS AND IRAN SO ON BALANCE THIS IS A TRAGIC DAY FOR THE UNITED STATES ALL OF US ARE URGING PRESIDENT TRUMP TO REVERSE COURSE AND TO TAKE FORCE FILL ACTION SANCTIONS WILL NOT MATTER THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS FOR THIS TRAGIC AND ILL-INFORMED DECISION

>> THE QUESTION IS IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE AT THIS POINT >> IT'S VERY DIFFICULT >> IF THE KURDS HAVE SEEN THIS FACE OF THE ADMINISTRATION, IF THEY CAN MAY A DISPUTE WITH ASSAD WOULD THEY BE WELCOMED? EVEN IF THE US

WANTED TO SEND SEVERAL HUNDRED SPECIAL FORCES BACK IN, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE >> IN TALKING WITH SOME CONTACTS, SOME FRIENDS, WHERE 10,000 KURDISH FIGHTERS DIED IN THE WORK AGAINST ISIS, IT WAS OFTEN A STRUGGLE TO SEE THAT THEY TRUSTED AMERICAN TROOPS WHO FOUGHT ALONGSIDE THEM THAT WE WOULDN'T WITHDRAW, THAT WE WOULDN'T ABANDON THEM GIVEN HOW HARD ERDOGAN AND TURKEY HAVE PRESSED TO ABANDON THE YPG AND OUR OTHER ALLIES I HEARD THIS DIRECTLY FROM A MEMBER OF THE DELAWARE NATIONAL GUARD I AGREE WITH YOU, TRUMP MAY VERY WELL ONLY DIRECT AND FORCEFUL ENGAGEMENT WITH ERDOGAN, A FRANKLY CLEAR THREAT THAT THIS WOULD UNDUE OUR RELATIONSHIP, OUR STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP OF MANY DECADES AS A NATO ALLY, MIGHT BE ENOUGH TO STOP THE TURKISH ASSAULT, BUT FRANKLY IN TERMS OF RUSSIA AND SYRIA AND IRAN, GAINING A FOOTHOLD

>> SENATOR COONS, I APPRECIATE IT THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US >>> TONIGHT I'M GOING TO GET THE REACTION TO NEW POLLING IN THE DEMOCRATIC RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE COMING UP FIRST, MULTIPLE BREAKING NEWS STORIES ON RUDY GIULIANI A WITNESS TESTIFIES ABOUT GIULIANI'S ROLE IN SHADOW DIPLOMACY

ALSO ""THE WALL STREET JOURNAL"" SAYS THEY ARE INVESTIGATING >>> MORE BREAKING NEWS TONIGHT GETTING MORE REPORTING ON THE TESTIMONY THAT JUST WRAPPED UP A WOMAN NAMED FIONA HILL LAUREN FOX JOINS US NOW WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN LEARNING? THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR I THINK AT LEAST EIGHT TO TEN HOURS, RIGHT? >> Reporter: YES, MORE THAN TEN HOURS, ANDERSON

I JUST SAW FIONA HILL LEAVE CAPITOL HILL AND ONE THING WE HAVE LEARNED IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES IS BASICALLY SHE WAS TELLING LAWMAKERS ABOUT HER CONCERNS WITH RUDY GIULIANI'S SORT OF SHADOW FOREIGN POLICY THAT IS ONE OF HER TOP CONCERNS THAT SHE RAISED TODAY WE ALSO KNOW THAT SHE RAISED CONCERNS AFTER MARIE YOVONOVICH, THE FORMER AMBASSADOR FROM THE UKRAINE WAS REASSIGNED WE ALSO LEARNED WHILE SHE WAS NOT ON THE JULY 25th PHONE CALL, SHE DID PREPARE FOR THAT CALL SHE HELPED WITH PREPARATIONS FOR IT

THOSE ARE JUST A FEW TOP LINE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY >> THIS WAS A LONG TESTIMONY AND A LONGER WEEK AHEAD ON CAPITOL HILL I UNDERSTAND >> I UNDERSTAND HOUSE REPUBLICANS REALLY SOME OF THEM WERE NOT HAPPY THAT THEY ISSUED A SUBPOENA FOR FIONA HILL TODAY WHY WAS THE COMMITTEE SO INTEND ON GETTING REV TO TESTIFY? >> ONE OF THE CONCERNS DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS SAID IS THEY GET TO THE NOT BEFORE THE DEPOSITIONS OR CLOSED DOOR TESTIMONIES AND THEN SOMEONE IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT OR TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TRIES TO BLOCK THEM

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH GORDON SONDLAND LAST WEEK THEY WERE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT SHE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO TESTIFY TODAY THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING, THEY'RE SAYING SO MANY TIMES IN THE PAST THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS TRIED TO STOP OR LIMIT THIS WAS PRETTY EMPTY REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS PROCESS, ANDERSON, FOR QUITE A WHILE

IT STARTED WITH THE FACT THAT THEY WON IN NANCY PELOSI SHE HAS SAID SHE'S NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT BY HOUSE RULES THIS HAS BEEN A VERY SLEW OF DEMOCRATS, YOU SHOULD BE FINE US

AMBASSADOR TO THE EU, GORDON SOUNDLAND ARE THERE HE'S A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE PRESIDENT? WELL, A COULD BEING TO LAWMAKERS TO GET SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO TEXT BACK

ONE THING WE'RE HEARING WHERE HE SAID THERE WAS NO QUIT PRO QUO THERE'S A LAB NEARLY FIVE HOURS, ANDERSON, BETWEEN TEXT MESSAGES WHEN THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT THERE HAD BEEN NEARLY $400 MILLION WITHHELD IN MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE A STATE OFFICIAL WANTED TO KNOW WHY THAT WAS HAPPENING AND THERE WAS THAT FIVE-HOUR GAP HE'S EXPECTED TO TALK MORE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE GUIDANCE WAS THERE >> OREN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

THERE'S MORE ON THE GIULIANI FRONT AS WELL FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK CITY ARE TAKING A LOOK AT BANK RECORDS THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HEARD INVESTIGATORS ARE LOOKING TO GIULIANI NEW DETAILS OF WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS OF INTEREST TO THEM

>> THAT'S RIGHT WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY INVESTIGATORS MIGHT BE LOOKING AT AND THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF RUMORS THAT HIS ASSOCIATES WERE INDICTED LAST WEEK THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE TWO MEN'S DEALINGS WITH GIULIANI "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTED THAT INVESTIGATORS ARE LOOKING AT WHETHER HE MIGHT HAVE VIOLATED FOREIGN LOBBYING LAWS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SPECIFICALLY HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS IN UKRAINE

THAT INCLUDES HIS FINANCES AS THEY RELATED TO HIS WORK THERE MEETINGS HE MIGHT HAVE HELD THERE AND SPECIFICALLY WORK THAT HE DID FOR A MAYOR THERE IS WHAT WE'RE TOLD >> DO YOU KNOW WHO THE GOVERNMENT IS TALKING TO ABOUT ALL OF THIS? >> WE DO KNOW THAT SOME WITNESSES HAVE BEEN QUESTION WHO THEY'RE TALKING TO I WOULD SAY GIVEN THE INDICTMENT JUST LAST WEEK, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS INVESTIGATION IS ONLY NOW STARTING TO SORT OF COME INTO THE OPEN SO WE MIGHT EXPECT SOME ESCALATION OF THAT THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS

>> HAS JULIE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? >> GIULIANI HAS DENIED WRONGDOING HE SAID HE HAS NOT BEEN INFORMED OF ANY INVESTIGATION AND TODAY HE TOLD US THEY CAN LOOK AT MY UKRAINE BUSINESS ALL THEY WANT SO HE IS PROJECTING HE'S NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ANY POSSIBLE INVESTIGATION >> ALL RIGHT REBECCA, APPRECIATE IT

THANKS VERY MUCH >>> PERSPECTIVE FROM JEFFREY TOOBIN AND FORMER NIXON WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL AND CNBC CONTRIBUTOR, JOHN DEAN GIULIANI KNOWS WHAT GOES INTO THIS SHOULD HE BE CONCERNED? >> HE SHOULD BE SUCH A WE WERE PERSON HOWEVER, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT NO ONE HAS ACCUSED HIM OF ANY CRIME AND THE TWO ASSOCIATES OF HIS WHO WERE INDICTED LAST WEEK, THEY ARE CHARGED WITH ESSENTIALLY ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN CONTRI CONTRIBUTIONS

THERE'S NO EVIDENCE ANYWHERE THAT GIULIANI HAS ENGAGED IN ANY CAMPAIGN WORK WHAT HE HAS TO PROBABLY BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE ISSUE OF FAILURE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST AND ALL THE WORK IN CONNECTION WITH UKRAINE OTHER THAN THAT >> JOHN, FIRST OF ALL, I UNDERSTAND IT IS YOUR BIRTHDAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY

BIRTHDAY OF ONE OF OUR TOP PRODUCERS, CURT McDONALD I HOPE YOU HAVE SOMETHING MORE FUN TALKING ABOUT IT, OBVIOUSLY THE MOVIE VERSION, THE PRESIDENT'S MAN FOLLOWED THE MONEY HE'S NOT CONCERNED HIS DEALINGS IN UKRAINE DO SEEM PRETTY CONFIDENT >> THAT'S TRUE

IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME WHAT THE TEA LEAVES, BEST REPORTING I CAN FIND, INCLUDING CNN'S, THERE ARE THREE EMOTIONS GOING ON TWO RELATIONS WITH TWO MEN WHO HAVE BEEN CHARGED AROUND ARRESTED THAT'S A GENERAL CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE THE CAMPAIGN LAWS THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY OF THE FOREIGN REGISTRATION ACT, BUT WHEN THEY GET INTO HIS WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO

THAT OPENS UP ALL KINDS OF POTENTIALS THE FACT THAT HE HAS NOT BEEN TOLD HE'S A TARGET OF THE INVESTIGATION, THE FACT THAT HE HAS NOT BEEN INTERVIEWED BY THE FBI SUGGEST THAT HE'S NOT A POLL STUR IT DOES LOOK LIKE HE'LL HAVE TROUBLE >>S IS IT POSSIBLE THAT LEV AND IGOR COULD BE POTENTIAL WITNESSES? COULD THEY FLIP IF THEY HAVE ANY INFORMATION? >> ABSOLUTELY PROSECUTION 101 IS ALWAYS TO WORK YOUR WAY UP

RIGHTY DWUL IS LEARN SI OBSCURE BUSINESS MEN ONE OTHER POINT TO MENTION ABOUT GIULIANI THE BIG PROBLEM FOR DONALD TRUMP IS GIULIANI'S ROLE AS POTENTIAL BEING AND YOU HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WAS IT DESIGNED OR OPERATING TO GET DIRT ON THE PRESIDENT'S POLITE RAL INTERESTS IN AN IMPEMMENT VEGD ESTABLISHED THAT

SO GIULIANI'S VALUE AS AN PARTICULAR TIMOR GETTING IN THE WAY OF THE IMPEACHMENT SITUATION WITH PEER POSSIBLE EXPOSURE HE HAS >> DID IT YESTERDAY THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE START OF THE SHADOW FOREIGN POLICY IT'S BIZARRE, FASCINATING HE'S A WITNESS

FOLKS WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU >> THERE'S ANOTHER MEN AND THEY WERE ACTIVELY PURSUING HER REMOVAL AS WELL BACK HERE SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT STRANDS THAT SORT OF COME TOGETHER HERE AND THIS HAS TO BE UNSETTLING FOR RUDY GIULIANI AND THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF >> RUDY GIULIANI WAS BEING PAID BY ONE OF THEM, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IT WAS HE WAS ON THEIR PAYROLL

IF YOU'RE CONGRESS AND YOU WANT TO INVESTIGATE WHO WAS HE — WHY WAS HE BEING PAID? WHO WAS HE REALLY WORKING FOR? WAS HE WORKING FOR THEM? WAS HE WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? WAS HE DOING BOTH? >> HE TRIED TO HAVE A SECURITY CONTRACT WITH KLIDGKO WHO BECAME THE MAYOR OF KIEV, FORMER BOXER ENDED UP WITH ANOTHER LAND TRACT IN ANOTHER CITY HE'S GOT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF — >> BALLS IN THE AIR? >> SURE >> AND HE'S — BY THE WAY, IS RUDY GIULIANI USING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? >> YES, EXACTLY >> — FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL — >> THIS IS WHAT IS SO FASCINATING

>> THIS IS WHY HE COULDN'T BE SECRETARY OF STATE >> APPARENTLY HE WAS >> JEFF, JOHN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE ELSE STICK AROUND IN OHIO THERE'S NEW POLLING OUT TONIGHT

SHOWS THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL RACE TIGHTENING WE'LL GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS AHEAD >>> THIS TIME TOMORROW NIGHT A RECORD 12 CANDIDATES WILL BE ON THE STAGE RIGHT HERE IN WESTERVILLE, OHIO, FOR THE CNN "NEW YORK TIMES" DEMOCRATIC DEBATE ON THE EVE OF THE CRUCIAL DEBATE THERE IS POLLING FROM QUINNIPIAC, ELIZABETH WARREN LEADS WITH 30% SUPPORT FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN IS AT 27%

THAT LEADS TO A TIE BERNIE SANDERS AT 11%, BUTTIGIEG AT 8 AND HARRIS AT 4 DO THOSE POLLS MEAN MUCH AT THIS TIME? >> IF YOU'RE BIDEN, YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT WAS ELECTABILITY AND YOU WERE THE ONE WHO COULD BEAT POLLS OUT THERE WE'VE SEEN A TIGHTENING AND HAVE THIS MAJOR SURGE KAMALA HARRIS SEEMS TO BE SLIPPING

AT 4% IN THIS POLL YOU LOOK INTO THIS, HE'S SOMETHING LIKE 50% WARN SO I THINK IT CONFIRMS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING, THESE TRENDS OVER THESE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WHICH IS THAT WARREN IS SURGING AND THAT BIDEN SEEMS TO HAVE SORT OF PLATEAUED IF NOT TAKEN A BIT OF A DIP BUT SEEMS NOT TO BE TAKING ANYTHING OF A HIT AROUND THE UKRAINE STUFF >> DAVID, I GUESS THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS IS BIDEN SUPPORT — IS WARREN SUPPORT AT THE EXPENSIVE BIDEN OR IT'S COMING FROM OTHERS? >> IT'S MOSTLY COMING FROM OTHERS FROM BERNIE SANDERS AND OTHERS BUT WE SHOULD PUT A NTREND LINE AND SHE'S BEEN ON A RISE, THIS IS A SEQUENTIAL PROCESS

WHAT'S ENCOURAGING FOR HER AND DAUNTING FOR BIDEN, ELIZABETH WARREN IS SHOWING STRENGTH IN IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE THE FIRST TWO CONTESTS IF NIA IS THE GUY WHO CAN TAKE TRUMP ON AND STARTS THE RACE BY LOSING THE FIRST TWO CONTESTS, PERHAPS THE THIRD IN NEVADA, IS HE GOING TO BE VIEWED IN THOSE TERMS THEN? ELIZABETH WARREN STEPS ON THE STAGE TOMORROW NIGHT AND IS A CO-RUNNER IT'S THE FIRST MAJOR CAMPAIGN APPEARANCE SINCE BEING HOSPITALIZED HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR HIM? >> IT'S IMPORTANT

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT HE HAS TO SHOW THAT HE'S OKAY, STRONG, VIGOROUS VIGOROUS WOULD BE KEY HERE ALSO AS DAVID WAS SAYING, I THINK AT SOME POINT HE AND ELIZABETH WARREN ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT HE DID IN AN INTERVIEW JUST TODAY, YESTERDAY WHERE HE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SHE SAYS SHE'S A CAPITALIST

>> YEAH HE SAID CAPITALIST TO HER BONES >> HE DIDN'T FINISH THE SENTENCE ABOUT WHAT HE IS BECAUSE SORT OF DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST? >> RIGHT I WOULD PAY HER — I WOULD PAY HIM IF I WERE HER TO SAY THAT TOMORROW NIGHT ON THE STAGE IT SERVES HER POLITICAL PROJECT TO BE MOVED SLIGHTLY TOWARDS THE CENTER

>> YEAH >> YOU KNOW, BERNIE SANDERS, I UNDERSTAND HE MAY HAVE SAID THAT LINE IN AN INTERVIEW HE HAS NOT BEEN ABOUT TAKING ON ELIZABETH WARREN IN SOME WAY EVEN THOUGH FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE RACE SHE PRESENTED A REAL THREAT TO HIS COALITION SHE CLEARLY HAS DUG IN TO SOME OF HIS VOTERS, ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE WHICH IS A CRITICAL PART OF HIS COLLECTION HE HASN'T SHOWN YET THAT HE'S REALLY WILLING TO TAKE HER DOWN A NOTCH

I'D BE IS HE SURPRISED IF THAT'S WHAT HE SHOWED UP TO DO >> THE REAL QUESTION WITH SANDERS, AFTER THIS HEALTH PROBLEM AND GIVEN HIS AGE, CAN HE GROW HIS SUPPORT OR DO PEOPLE SEE HIM MORE AS A SYMBOLIC CANDIDACY RATHER THAN A REAL THREAT TO BE THE NOMINEE? >> HE'S IN TROUBLE EVEN BEFORE LOSING SUPPORT TO BIDEN AND WARREN >> I DON'T THINK IT IS AGE IS AN ISSUE THAT'S SOMETHING BIDEN HAS TO DEAL WITH AS WELL TOMORROW NIGHT

I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED BY WHO'S GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH UKRAINE, HUNTER BERNIE SANDERS IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO WATCH TOMORROW NIGHT AND SEE HOW HE REACTS >> I'M BEING VERY — NOT SAYING ANYTHING BECAUSE I'M INVOLVED IN DEBATE PREP GLORIA AND DAVID ARE NOT FOR THE RECORD >> YES

YES >> BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS DEBATE TOMORROW NIGHT, ANDERSON, IS TAKING PLACE IN A NEW POLITICAL CONTEXT IMPEACHMENT IS NOW THIS DOMINANT POLITICAL FORCE IN WASHINGTON IT'S CONSUMING SO MUCH OXYGEN

THIS CAMPAIGN WHILE HAVING A NATIONAL PRESENCE HAS BEEN SIDE LINED SOMEWHAT AND YET IT'S A REALLY CRUCIAL TIME IN THIS CAMPAIGN BECAUSE WE SEE ELIZABETH WARREN AND JOE BIDEN ARE IN A TIER UNTO THEMSELVES VOTERS ARE PAYING MORE AND MORE ATTENTION WE'RE JUST A FEW MONTHS AWAY FROM BEGINNING AND YET THERE'S THIS LOOMING TRUMP STORY LINE OUT THERE ABOUT IMPEACHMENT AND HOW THE DEMOCRATS ARE HANDLING THAT THAT IS JUST HANGING OVER WHAT OTHERWISE WAS A RACE PROGRESSING NORMALLY >> I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THE DEBATE KICKS OFF AT 8

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